Response to Reader – Displeased with “erect nipples”


Michael wrote in to make me aware that my blog had a “luke-warm” message toward sexual temptation because one of the posted Flickr photos depicted a [clothed] “bra-less young lady with erect nipples.” He also included this verse for my edification, and to prove his point:

(red emphasis his)

1 Corinthians 10:31

So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33even as I try to please everybody in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.

I’m very sorry this was an upsetting experience for Michael, and fraught with potential sexual backsliding, for him, and possibly for others.

Originally, I had been impressed with the wordpress Flickr link that *automatically* generates, and rotatates submitted photos from a (supposedly) G-rated, artistic Flickr site file folder titled: “Interesting.” I hadn’t seen anything offensive, but I understand this photo might have crossed the line for some people–well, men and lesbians primarily, but also those who don’t like looking at chilly women (or men), female store mannequins, or being reminded that nipples seem to have a mind, and actions of their own. It seems foundational garments–lack of them–are a foil again! Just like in the 1960s.

I didn’t know the photo was in the rotation, and I’m sorry it (might have) stumbled some of you.

My decision-

Due to not having control over the nature of the photos my readers are exposed to, I am removing the auto-generated photo gallery link from Flickr for now. I prefer that Flickr was set up differently, so I could pick “landscapes,” or “scenery,” “topic themes,” or non-nippled photos that suit my taste, and have them displayed, rather than whatever “Interesting” might be to someone, which, in this case, turned out to be two small bumps in the road for me, and the Life As Prayer blog.

If anybody has a good suggestion for adding topical rotating photo art in the sidebar in wordpress, let me know; and until I figure out a better way to have revolving art that won’t titillate, um, so to speak, I’ll axe the Flickr shots that have been in the sidebar. Sorry to those of you that will miss them.

Weigh-in with your ideas, or thoughts.

Thank you. And sorry Michael.

P.S. This reminds me. October is Breast Cancer Awareness month. Support the Tat Tats! Wear pink, and remember that 40,610 will die of breast cancer this year! Get a mamo, or encourage the woman in your life, (or a man with man boobs) to do so!

(When I get lemons I make a lemonade post!)

Thanks everyone.

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16 responses to “Response to Reader – Displeased with “erect nipples”

  1. I am the tempted, potentially sexually backslidden individual mentioned above.

    Just to be clear, I was not tempted by the photo. However, I did recognise that it’s place on such a spiritually minded and (perhaps) God ordaianed Blog was, without question, out of place/character.

    I have (intentionally) done just the opposite with some of my Blog posts. When writing a new piece I will occassionally put “Free Porn” in the “Tags” section. So if anyone is looking for an exciting time in places they should not be looking they may stumble across my Blog. 🙂

    The enemy is cunning and has had the benefit of studying us since his fall as the Chief Musician. He knows all too well that, although we may keep from gross sin, he may be able to chip away with the little things. Before you know it we may find ourself in an area we would never intentionally be drawn to.

    Thank you for your open heart.

  2. Doug Jackson

    Lisa – Your blog is one of the breast, I mean, best I’ve ever obscene, I mean seen. Don’t let a little Pharisaism nipple, I mean cripple your creative Spirit.

    Yes, the enemy is clever at tricking us into subtle sin – like pride at censoring dirty pictures and deriving enjoyment from finding an opportunity to criticize. He’s a real bastard. (Oops! There’s a verse for that crack, I’m sure!)

  3. Thanks for posting Michael (mssc54). The “free porn” tag tactic you mention sounds blog traffic producing. I would suggest that though you may be well-intentioned, it could be misguided to view that your means justify your ends. Furthermore, “bait and switch” is typically not well-received by most, even porn-lovers. Also be prepared for spam of a not nice sort. Or, perhaps you know this all too well, already. I’m also glad to know I am not a greater sinner for having made you fall into sin on that one. It’s a relief you stayed strong through that.

    Doug, is it possible to saw the nipple-ish photo in question, and it has influenced you? It’s like you were a little distracted when you wrote that post. I laughed out loud.

    I, and we who believe, have a God who is the Creator of all. He isn’t the *equal* opposing Good to the Evil of our Enemy (the Devil). God is Almighty in total-so it’s no contest. This same power is in me. What a blessing. And I’m fully dependent on that blessing and power to have victory. It can vanquish not just the Roaring Lion, but the even tougher, more frequent attacks of the bit of devil in others. (plus- the pot shots, and mistakes I’ll make to and on myself.)

    Thanks for posting.
    Keep those cards and letters coming 🙂

  4. Someone had a sign at UConn this weekend that said, “Save Second Base.” Thanks for doing your part… even if it’s a frisky little base…

  5. Dear Michael –
    We are mammals. A female human’s breasts were invented by God to feed babies. Unless the breasts were fully exposed, erect nipples are a function of biology, not pornography. Get over it. Really.

    • Deb, thank you so much for your insightful comment directed at me. Being the biological father of three duaghters and the adopve father of one sone and another duaghter I am keenly aware of God’s INTENDED purpose for the female breast.

      However, due to man’s fallen state, God’s INTENDED purpose for the female breast has been (largely) perverted. If men did not view the female breast as some form of sexual stimulation or a “tool” for sexual gratification we would not be bombarded with such sensual advertisemts on TV and printed media. If the mammalian breast were as simple as you so innocently claim we would see a Jersey Cow laying atop a Poster Pedic matteress displaying her udders in all their glory. It would, of course, need to be a rather firm mattress.

      Thank you once again for your concern for me.

      Have a FANTABULOUS day!

      • lisacolondelay

        Milk just came out my nose laughing–envisioning that bovine supermodel slam ad! HA! (I think it would work very well for Posturepedic.)
        The proposal itself is rife with logical fallacies for your argument.

        Utters in their glory LOL!!!!
        love that.
        got milk?

  6. I hate it when cows have that “Come Heifer” look at each other…

    • lisacolondelay

      NICE PUN, Ed! It seems you must live near a dairy farm of lesbian cows. I think a bulls might have this “look” at the cows 😉 right?

  7. Mike.
    really.

    “If the mammalian breast were as simple as you so innocently claim we would see a Jersey Cow laying atop a Poster Pedic matteress displaying her udders in all their glory. It would, of course, need to be a rather firm mattress.”

    Since I’m not married to a bull, I don’t think the udders comparison works. But then, I haven’t had this conversation with any of our bovine friends. Somehow I get the impression from my farmland days that a coupla bulls don’t lean up on a fence and talk about teats and racks or go to a restaurant named “milkers”… it seems to be a HUMAN male issue.

    The point is that it is the human race who takes things like mammary glands and turns them into porn objects. And it seems that it is (SOME) human males who have this issue. Women, who mostly move past this tittering (sorry) in high school, continue to be amused (or is that AMOO-SED) at the guy’s insistence that if someone doesn’t have his thought life under the reign of Christ, that it is “her” fault.

    I would note that, to her credit, Lisa removed the link.

    The issue here is not this particular picture. It is that it is time to stop blaming an uncontrolled thought life (or debt, or gambling, or drugs) on anything other than what you choose to see, do or think. And yes, the Holy Spirit is more than capable of accomplishing that in a human being.

    Peace out-
    Deb

  8. wow, this is really quite an amusing conversation. I’m of the opinion that the best way to overcome the sexual objectification of women and her breasts is to just make them less taboo. So I breastfed in public and all that. I have a body, I have breasts, and I not going to live in fear that some man somewhere will sin because of that. But I also don’t think that a man getting turned on by seeing something is a sin, its what he chooses to do with that that is the issue. So women really shouldn’t be forced to live in fear for being themselves, the boys should man-up and take responsibility for themselves.

    I would have kept the picture – actually probably reposted it as a celebration of the beauty of our bodies that we need not ever be ashamed of. But that’s just me 😉

    • lisacolondelay

      Thanks for posting. I briefly thought about reposting it, actually, but it seemed like a “rub your face in it” move (sort of like Elaine with George, ha!)

      In France it wasn’t uncommon to see unclothed breasts in public advertising, even on billboards. (Now that’s big mammaries in the open! Like six stories worth.) One that I saw promoted yogurt. Oddly, it wasn’t racy, or sexualized. It seemed a bit shocking (as an American) to come across it in downtown Paris. It’s yogurt, not a Victory’s Secret promo, for pity’s sake … But this brand called “Bio” focused on fit body and good health in their ad. The French wouldn’t even look twice. Context is key to how something is received it seems.

  9. I find it a bit dishearttening… the use of so many personal pronouns.

    I, I, I, I have a right. Really?

    Paraphrasing, “I will do what I believe is my right and it is up to others to deal with it.” Really?

    That certainly is the earthly standard these days. Thank you for making my point(s) so eloquently.

    Imagine that day standing in front of the Bema Seat.

    “But Lord, You made me this way. I was proud of the way You made me and saw no need to be modest in my actions or dress. It was THEM who were immature and sinfu BLAME THEM, NOT ME!”

    Chipping away…. chipping away. A True Disciple of the Savior gives up their rights for that of Kingdom purpose.

    But Lisa makes a crucial point (which was, basically, in my initial communication to her.)

    The “place” I find myself dictates how I act or resopnd. In the jungles of South America, in France and in Western Civilization there exists different views of the female body.

    Who does an individual (ultimately) serve when they do something they know full well may challenge a weaker person’s resolve? Do they have a right to throw a stumbling block into their path? How does a weak person become a strong person when the prevailing attitude is one of “I have rights. You need to deal with it?”

    Interesting doctrine indeed.

  10. Mike writes:
    “Who does an individual (ultimately) serve when they do something they know full well may challenge a weaker person’s resolve? Do they have a right to throw a stumbling block into their path? How does a weak person become a strong person when the prevailing attitude is one of “I have rights. You need to deal with it?”

    Let’s be clear. Of course where we are and how we act makes a difference. But we can begin with our own conversations, actions and attitudes to de-myth some of the twisted culture we live in.

    To put the “don’t make me stumble” edict on women is not just, as is the excuse of “I respond this way because it’s my culture” rap. It is EACH PERSON’S responsibility to act, live, and think with God’s heart and God’s standards in mind.

    As my husband of 22+ years says (and he worked as a campus pastor), “If looking is an issue, focus on something else.” The Holy Spirit is more than able to help.

    Deb

    • Just to be clear the edict of “don’t make your brother stumble” was Written by some One with a much higher pay grade than any of us.

      I am a bit confused with your comments here. On the one hand you write, “It is EACH PERSON’S responsibility to act, live, and think with God’s heart and God’s standards in mind.”

      But on the other hand when you write, “To put the “don’t make me stumble” edict on women is not just, as is the excuse of “I respond this way because it’s my culture” rap.” You seem to be saying that women (in particular) need not give pause or thought if some guy is entangled in a depraved life. That’s his problem not a woman’s?

      The words you have written “God’s heart”….

      If you don’t mind, could you just tell me what you think God’s heart and God’s standard IS for women as they relate to and mingle with men in the world? I mean should any True Disciple of the Savior (women in particular) just go about their day unaware of how their dress, manerisms and conduct affect others (especially men)? Even better, what do you believe God’s heart and God’s standard for you is in this area? Just you no one else.

      Congratulations on your 22+ years of marriage. Me and my Mrs. will celebrate our 36th this coming May.

      Clergy may or may not have the answers. The Bible clearly does.

      If you or your husband ever run across the book “EVERY MAN’S BATTLE” by Stephen Arterburn, Fred Stoeker with Mike Yorkey consider giving it a read.